$\sqrt{2}\otimes\sqrt{2} = 2$, the hard way

Jo Jiao, November 2023, Hyde Park
Edited July 2026

There are many ways to construct the real numbers, some more positive than others. Dedekind cuts give one such positive construction. In the reals as we know them, $\sqrt{2}\cdot\sqrt{2}=2$ is immediate; in the Dedekind-cut construction, one must prove that every rational below $2$ appears in the product cut. The proof below does that, by a route far longer than the identity deserves. I wrote the bulk of this proof over Thanksgiving break as a bonus problem for my IBL class. Upon reflection, it was also a lesson that elegance in mathematics relies on having the right machinery in place: remove enough of that machinery, and seemingly simple proofs can require an ordeal like the one below. At the end of the day, though, I thought the argument was pretty cool, and Thanksgiving in Chicago was warmer when spent with my blackboards indoors.

Background

Definition (Dedekind cut).
A subset $A\subseteq\mathbb{Q}$ is a cut if:

  1. $A\neq\emptyset$ and $A\neq\mathbb{Q}$;
  2. $A$ is closed downward: if $r\in A$ and $s<r$, then $s\in A$;
  3. $A$ has no last point: if $r\in A$, then there is $s\in A$ with $s>r$.

The set of all cuts is called $\mathbb{R}$. A cut is, intuitively, the set of all rationals strictly below some real number, the number itself being exactly the cut. In particular,

$$ \sqrt{2} := \{x\in\mathbb{Q}\mid x<0\} \cup \{x\in\mathbb{Q}\mid x^2<2\}, \qquad \mathbf{2} := \{x\in\mathbb{Q}\mid x<2\}. $$

Definition (Multiplication of cuts).
You cannot multiply two cuts elementwise: each cut contains arbitrarily negative rationals, and products of large negatives would escape upward. So for cuts $A,B$ containing positive elements, we define

$$ A\otimes B = \{r\in\mathbb{Q}\mid r\le 0\} \cup \{ab\mid a\in A,\ b\in B,\ a>0,\ b>0\}. $$

We glue in the entire negative tail for free and multiply only positive representatives. Other sign cases are defined by $A\otimes B=-[(-A)\otimes B]$, and similarly for the remaining possibilities; they do not concern us here.

Lemma ($\mathbb{Q}$ is an ordered field).
Multiplying both sides of an inequality of rationals by a positive rational preserves the inequality.

We wish to prove the following.

Lemma.

$$ \sqrt{2}\otimes\sqrt{2} = \{x\in\mathbb{Q}\mid x<2\}. $$

Proof.
We first show that

$$ \sqrt{2}\otimes\sqrt{2} \subseteq \{x\in\mathbb{Q}\mid x<2\}. $$

By the definition of $\otimes$,

$$ \sqrt{2}\otimes\sqrt{2} = \{r\in\mathbb{Q}\mid r\leq 0\} \cup \{ab\mid a\in\sqrt{2},\ b\in\sqrt{2},\ a>0,\ b>0\}. $$

Recall that

$$ \sqrt{2} = \{x\in\mathbb{Q}\mid x<0\lor x^2<2\}. $$

For every $x\in\sqrt{2}$ such that $x>0$, the definition of this set gives $x^2<2$. Hence

$$ \sqrt{2}\otimes\sqrt{2} = \{r\in\mathbb{Q}\mid r\leq 0\} \cup \{ab\mid a^2<2,\ b^2<2,\ a>0,\ b>0\}. $$

Consider any $a,b\in\mathbb{Q}$ such that $a^2<2$, $b^2<2$, and $a,b>0$. Multiplying the first inequality by $b^2>0$ and the second by $2$ gives

$$ a^2b^2<2b^2 \qquad\text{and}\qquad 2b^2<2\cdot 2. $$

Therefore,

$$ a^2b^2<2^2 \implies (ab)^2<2^2 \implies ab<2, $$

where the last implication follows because $ab$ and $2$ are both positive. Thus every element of

$$ \{ab\mid a^2<2,\ b^2<2,\ a>0,\ b>0\} $$

is less than $2$. Hence

$$ \sqrt{2}\otimes\sqrt{2} \subseteq \{r\in\mathbb{Q}\mid r\leq 0\} \cup \{ab\mid ab<2,\ a>0,\ b>0\}, $$

which is the same as

$$ \sqrt{2}\otimes\sqrt{2} \subseteq \{x\in\mathbb{Q}\mid x\leq 0\lor(x<2\land x>0)\}, $$

and therefore

$$ \sqrt{2}\otimes\sqrt{2} \subseteq \{x\in\mathbb{Q}\mid x<2\}. $$

This completes the first set inclusion.

We now show that

$$ \{x\in\mathbb{Q}\mid x<2\} \subseteq \sqrt{2}\otimes\sqrt{2}. $$

By the same rewriting as above, we want to prove

$$ \{x\in\mathbb{Q}\mid x\leq 0\} \cup \{x\in\mathbb{Q}\mid 0<x<2\} \subseteq \{x\in\mathbb{Q}\mid x\leq 0\} \cup \{ab\mid a^2<2,\ b^2<2,\ a>0,\ b>0\}. $$

This reduces to

$$ \{x\in\mathbb{Q}\mid 0<x<2\} \subseteq \{ab\mid a^2<2,\ b^2<2,\ a>0,\ b>0\}. $$

Thus, given any $x\in\mathbb{Q}$ with $0<x<2$, we must find $a,b\in\mathbb{Q}$ such that

$$ ab=x, \qquad a^2<2, \qquad b^2<2. $$

In other words, every rational below $2$ must be exhibited explicitly as a product of two rationals whose squares remain below $2$.

We first prove the existence of $a$, then choose $b$ from $a$.

Lemma: if $x\in\mathbb{Q}$ and $0<x<2$, then there exists $\alpha\in\mathbb{Q}$ such that $x<\alpha^2<2$

Write $x=\frac{a}{b}$ in lowest terms, where $a,b\in\mathbb{N}$. We want to show that there exist $p,q\in\mathbb{N}$ such that

$$ \frac{a}{b} < \frac{p^2}{q^2} < 2. $$

For some $k\in\mathbb{N}$, set

$$ q=b\cdot 2^k. $$

It is then enough to find $p\in\mathbb{N}$ such that

$$ ab\cdot 2^{2k} < p^2 < 2b^2\cdot 2^{2k}. $$

Consider the spacing of perfect squares. For any $m\in\mathbb{N}$,

$$ (m+1)^2-m^2=2m+1. $$

For any positive $m\in\mathbb{N}$, define

$$ \lfloor\sqrt{m}\rfloor = \max\{l\in\mathbb{N}\mid l^2\le m\}, \qquad \lceil\sqrt{m}\rceil = \min\{l\in\mathbb{N}\mid l^2\ge m\}. $$

The first set is nonempty and finite, and the second is nonempty, so these quantities are well-defined by the well-ordering of $\mathbb{N}$.

Hence the first perfect square strictly greater than $ab\cdot 2^{2k}$ is

$$ \left( \lfloor\sqrt{ab\cdot 2^{2k}}\rfloor+1 \right)^2 = \lfloor\sqrt{ab\cdot 2^{2k}}\rfloor^2 + 2\lfloor\sqrt{ab\cdot 2^{2k}}\rfloor + 1. $$

We want to choose $k$ so that

$$ \lfloor\sqrt{ab\cdot 2^{2k}}\rfloor^2 + 2\lfloor\sqrt{ab\cdot 2^{2k}}\rfloor + 1 < 2b^2\cdot 2^{2k}. $$

We now eliminate the floor and square-root functions by bounding them. First, for any $m\in\mathbb{N}$,

$$ \lfloor\sqrt{m}\rfloor^2\leq m, $$

and hence

$$ \lfloor\sqrt{ab\cdot 2^{2k}}\rfloor^2 \leq ab\cdot 2^{2k}. $$

Second, for any positive $m\in\mathbb{N}$, the definition of $\lceil\sqrt{m}\rceil$ gives

$$ m\cdot 2^{2k} \leq \left( \lceil\sqrt{m}\rceil\cdot 2^k \right)^2, $$

and hence

$$ \lfloor\sqrt{m\cdot 2^{2k}}\rfloor \leq \lceil\sqrt{m}\rceil\cdot 2^k. $$

Therefore,

$$ 2\lfloor\sqrt{ab\cdot 2^{2k}}\rfloor < 2^{k+1}\lceil\sqrt{ab}\rceil+2. $$

Combining the two bounds gives

$$ \lfloor\sqrt{ab\cdot 2^{2k}}\rfloor^2 + 2\lfloor\sqrt{ab\cdot 2^{2k}}\rfloor + 1 < ab\cdot 2^{2k} + 2^{k+1}\lceil\sqrt{ab}\rceil + 3. $$

So it suffices to show that for some $k\in\mathbb{N}$,

$$ \begin{aligned} ab\cdot 2^{2k} + 2^{k+1}\lceil\sqrt{ab}\rceil + 3 &< 2b^2\cdot 2^{2k}, \\ 2^{k+1}\lceil\sqrt{ab}\rceil+3 &< (2b^2-ab)\cdot 2^{2k}. \end{aligned} $$

A sufficient condition is

$$ \lceil\sqrt{ab}\rceil+3 < (2b^2-ab)\cdot 2^{k-1}, $$

using

$$ 2^{k+1}\lceil\sqrt{ab}\rceil+3 \leq 2^{k+1}\left(\lceil\sqrt{ab}\rceil+3\right) $$

and dividing by $2^{k+1}$.

Since $\frac{a}{b}<2$, we have

$$ 2b^2-ab\geq 1. $$

It is therefore enough to find $k$ such that

$$ \lceil\sqrt{ab}\rceil+3 < 2^{k-1}. $$

We know that $\lceil\sqrt{ab}\rceil+3\in\mathbb{N}$. Abstractly, given $m\in\mathbb{N}$, we must find $k\in\mathbb{N}$ such that

$$ m<2^{k-1}. $$

Let $k=m+2$. Then

$$ m<2^{m+1}=2^{k-1} $$

for every $m\in\mathbb{N}$.

Hence, for any $a,b\in\mathbb{N}$ with

$$ 0<\frac{a}{b}<2, $$

taking

$$ k=\lceil\sqrt{ab}\rceil+5 $$

gives

$$ \lfloor\sqrt{ab\cdot 2^{2k}}\rfloor^2 + 2\lfloor\sqrt{ab\cdot 2^{2k}}\rfloor + 1 < 2b^2\cdot 2^{2k}. $$

Recall that we want $p,q\in\mathbb{N}$ such that

$$ \frac{a}{b} < \frac{p^2}{q^2} < 2. $$

Let

$$ p^2 = \lfloor\sqrt{ab\cdot 2^{2k}}\rfloor^2 + 2\lfloor\sqrt{ab\cdot 2^{2k}}\rfloor + 1 $$

and

$$ q^2=b^2\cdot 2^{2k}. $$

Equivalently,

$$ p = \lfloor\sqrt{ab\cdot 2^{2k}}\rfloor+1, \qquad q=b\cdot 2^k. $$

Set

$$ \alpha=\frac{p}{q}. $$

This proves that there exists $\alpha\in\mathbb{Q}$ such that

$$ x<\alpha^2<2. $$

Now consider $\frac{x}{\alpha}$. If

$$ \left(\frac{x}{\alpha}\right)^2\geq x, $$

then

$$ \alpha^2\left(\frac{x}{\alpha}\right)^2 \geq \alpha^2x > x\cdot x = x^2. $$

But the left-hand side equals $x^2$, giving $x^2>x^2$, a contradiction. Thus

$$ \left(\frac{x}{\alpha}\right)^2 < x < 2. $$

Let

$$ \beta=\frac{x}{\alpha}. $$

We have selected $\alpha,\beta>0$ such that

$$ \beta^2<x<\alpha^2<2 \qquad\text{and}\qquad \alpha\beta=x. $$

Therefore, for every $x\in\mathbb{Q}$ with $0<x<2$, there exist $a,b\in\mathbb{Q}$ such that

$$ ab=x, \qquad a^2<2, \qquad b^2<2. $$

This proves

$$ \{x\in\mathbb{Q}\mid 0<x<2\} \subseteq \{ab\mid a^2<2,\ b^2<2,\ a>0,\ b>0\}, $$

and hence

$$ \{x\in\mathbb{Q}\mid x<2\} \subseteq \sqrt{2}\otimes\sqrt{2}. $$

Having proved both inclusions, we conclude that

$$ \sqrt{2}\otimes\sqrt{2} = \{x\in\mathbb{Q}\mid x<2\}. $$

This completes the proof. $\square$